Vital Football

Points deduction not definite

Points deduction not definite
The media have mostly assumed that the 9 points deduction is inevitable and have written off Pompey's chances of staying up. But is it quite so clear cut?

The relevant part of the Premier League's Handbook reads as follows: "Sporting Sanction 60. Upon a Club or its Parent Undertaking suffering an Event of Insolvency the Board shall have the power to impose upon the Club a deduction of 9 points scored or to be scored in the League competition. If the Board exercises this power it shall forthwith give written notice to the Club to that effect.

61. Subject to Rule C.62, the Club may appeal against the deduction of points by sending or delivering to the Secretary Form 2 so that he receives the same together with a deposit of 1,000 within 7 days of the date of the notice given under the provisions of Rule C.60.2 (time of the essence).

62. The only ground upon which a Club may appeal as aforesaid is that 62.1 the Event of Insolvency was caused by and resulted directly from circumstances, other than normal business risks, over which it could not reasonably be expected to have had control; and 62.2 its Officials had used all due diligence to avoid the happening of that event.

63. An appeal under the provisions of Rule C.61 shall lie to an appeal tribunal which shall hear the appeal as soon as reasonably practicable. The appeal tribunal shall be appointed by the Board and shall comprise 3 members of the Panel including: 63.1 an authorised insolvency practitioner and 63.2 a legally qualified member who shall sit as chairman of the tribunal.

64. The chairman of the appeal tribunal shall have regard to the procedures governing the proceedings of Commissions and Appeal Boards set out in Section R of these Rules but, subject as aforesaid, shall have an overriding discretion as to the manner in which the appeal is conducted."

This means that the points deduction is discretionary (not automatic) and the club have a right of appeal - albeit somewhat limited. AA has said that he intends to contest the points deduction. Possible arguments he could deploy might be:

(a) The Premier League has partly caused the insolvency by refusing to allow sales of players outside the window (even though FIFA had agreed - if that is true) or to bring forward payments to which the club is entitled;

(b) The Premier League's rule that "football creditors" have priority before HMRC (let alone local Portsmouth traders and suppliers) has directly caused HMRC to petition for a winding up order, and it is this that has precipitated going into administration. Thus, it is the PL that has caused the problem;

(c) If, as a result of the points deduction, Pompey are relegated, this will reduce the value of the club and make it more difficult to agree a CVA with creditors and make it less likely that Pompey will emerge from Administration. It might also be possible to challenge any decision legally in the Courts on the grounds that nearly half the Premier League clubs (who wholly own the Premier League) have a direct financial interest in seeing Pompey relegated (as so charmingly explained by Mr Sullivan of WHU).

Natural justice suggests that any decision should be taken by an entirely independent panel. So it is not yet all over.

I wouldn't want to encourage false hopes, as life isn't fair, and the people with the money generally win. But another great escape is not inconceivable. This makes last Saturday's result all the more important, and if we can win our home games against Hull and Wolves, then the last few weeks of the season could be interesting. I expect we shall know a little more by Tuesday evening.

Play up, Pompey.

Written by erithacus rubecula.

The views within this article are the views of the individual who wrote and submitted this piece, sometimes solely theirs. They are not necessarily shared by the Vital Pompey Site Journalists.


Bookmark and Share


Join the Vital Pompey Debate

Trust

Writer:pompeyrug
Date:Monday March 1 2010
Time: 9:32AM

Comments

0
Also - "62.2 its Officials had used all due diligence to avoid the happening of that event". Gay pulling the plug on his guaranteeing of debts precipitated the crisis.
PFCblue
01/03/2010 09:42:00
0
basically, as i said in the forum, my theory is...
chances are that we will have this points penalty - right or wrong, altho the argument does seem to be that if funds have been 'mishandled' then technically portsmouth football club is not to blame for this, if any PROOF of this can be found that sheds a whole new light on things...
yep we have spent WELL beyond our means but have also been bringing in alot of money in transfers, TV money etc. so if any proof is found this has been 'filtered off' or whatever we have a case, right?
pompeyrug
01/03/2010 10:14:00
0
PFCblue - but the reason he pulled the plug on his gaurenteeing of debts, was due to the global financial crisis, which was an event largely beond our controll, and - widely unpredicted
pompeycarpet
01/03/2010 12:22:00
0
Thanks Robin for an interesting look at the rules. There is enough scope to question the automatic deduction of points and AA will have a go no doubt. But no hopes raised eh?
eastneydave
01/03/2010 12:25:00
0
would be good if we didn't the deduction, but that means we could pull off the greatest escape ever and stay up. But if we went down, we could start again. If we stayed in the prem we would just be carrying on from this season.
PompeyFcMad
01/03/2010 12:52:00
0
I could possibly think of a fourth reason - that witholding our TV money in January to prioritise football creditors potentially stopped us coming to an arrangement with HMRC to keep them off our back until the summer. Yes the football creditors would of had to wait longer for their cash but they'd be unlikely to push us towards liquidation and/or administration as HMRC did.
stooH
01/03/2010 14:24:00
0
I can't see us getting away with it......However, for the benefit of the Premier Leagues integrity for the remainder of the season, it would be fairest to all other 19 clubs for us NOT to get a 9 point deduction. If we still have a fair chance of survival, be it in our own hands....then all clubs will have played PFC on an even situation. PUP Que Sera, Sera, whatever will be, will be, we're going to wembley !!!!
BarneyArmy
01/03/2010 14:31:00
0
I can't see us getting away with it......However, for the benefit of the Premier Leagues integrity for the remainder of the season, it would be fairest to all other 19 clubs for us NOT to get a 9 point deduction. If we still have a fair chance of survival, be it in our own hands....then all clubs will have played PFC on an even situation. PUP Que Sera, Sera, whatever will be, will be, we're going to wembley !!!!
BarneyArmy
01/03/2010 14:59:00
0
Well the Premier League have shown us no pity so far, it seems to me that anything they could have done to help they weren't going to in the hope that HMRC sent us into oblivion today. Hopefully though with our resident Administrator and his people fighting our corner we might get lucky. However I guess our chances are very slim so we'll just have to play the waiting game once more ..........
rugsmum
01/03/2010 15:40:00
0
No chance...wel very , very , very slim chance at tops... WE are not West Ham Utd are we, more Sheffield i think..
plymouth graham
01/03/2010 15:58:00
Page 1/3
  1. 1
  2. 2
  3. 3

Login to post a comment

Recent Portsmouth Articles

EFL Trophy - Matchday One 30-08-16

The revamped (if that's a good thing is open to personal opinion) EFL Trophy gets underway this midweek with the first group matches played.

A competition 'not high on list of priorities'

I dare say Cook's views on the Football League Trophy, EFL Trophy, Checkatrade Trophy or whatever the hell it goes by this season a large number share! We'll start at Yeovil tonight.

Pompey MotM at Exeter...EFL Trophy at Yeovil

The Pompey MotM from the 1-0 win at Exeter, which was (in my mind) a pretty dour game (the main thing is we won though), was a tough call to make but I'll go along with the top two.

FrattonBlue's Findings - Exeter (A)

Welcome back to the latest FrattonBlue's Findings as Pompey faced off with Exeter City at St. James' Park.

Archived Vital Pompey Articles

Vital Pompey articles from

Site Journalists

pompeyrug
Editor email
Profile
eastneydave
Editor email
Profile
paultsmouth
no email
Profile
Chix
no email
Profile

Current Poll (see more polls)

EFL Trophy - Yeovil v Pompey
Suggested By: pompeyrug
Pompey win80%
Draw0%
Yeovil win20%
ScoopDragon Publishing Entire League Network of Sites

League Table

# Team P W D L Pts. GD
1 Morecambe 5 4 0 1 12 3
2 Luton 5 3 1 1 10 6
3 Doncaster 5 3 1 1 10 4
4 Colchester 5 3 1 1 10 3
5 Mansfield 5 3 1 1 10 1
6 Carlisle 5 2 3 0 9 2
7 Plymouth 5 3 0 2 9 0
8 Portsmouth 5 2 2 1 8 1
9 Crawley 5 2 2 1 8 0
10 Leyton Orient 5 2 1 2 7 2
11 Notts County 5 2 1 2 7 0
12 Grimsby 5 2 0 3 6 2
13 Barnet 5 1 3 1 6 1
14 Cheltenham 5 1 3 1 6 1
15 Hartlepool 5 1 3 1 6 0
16 Crewe 5 1 3 1 6 -1
17 Blackpool 5 1 2 2 5 0
18 Newport 5 1 2 2 5 -1
19 Wycombe 5 1 2 2 5 -2
20 Accrington 5 1 1 3 4 -3
21 Yeovil 5 1 1 3 4 -3
22 Stevenage 5 1 1 3 4 -6
23 Exeter 5 1 0 4 3 -4
24 Cambridge 5 0 2 3 2 -6
Latest F1 News
Latest Vital Boxing News

Recent Portsmouth Results (view all)

Portsmouth Fixtures (view all)

Vital Members League Table

RankNamePoints
1.pompeyrug155
2.PompeyFrippy40
3.storagematt33
4.FrattonBlue33
5.Copnor4326
6.eastneydave21
7.mslorna4818
8.uspompeyfan15
9.stubbsy00712
10.Dentoblue12