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WORK with CLUB Not Against It Postpone The March



I have copied the link for the Sky Website below, and looking at the poll I suggested a few days ago, "Currently" 69% of us, want to call off/postpone the Protest.

Surely we DO want what is best for the club, and don't just want to appear militant and March for the sake of Marching? And if I am wrong, and you DO want the March to take place, can we be assured the Petition the "News" is getting signed, will be handed in by a Sober, John Westwood and not a Drunk John Westwood surrounded by dozens of Westy wannabe's. A drunken mob can only detract from the sincerity of any positive protest?

I for one believe we DO have to listen to what Ahmed is saying... Afterall, isn't that what the singing at the Arsenal Game, and the protest at the Coventry Game was about?

Getting the board to talk? And hasn't that now started to happen?

I don't think we can ask for something to happen, and then ignore it when it does, and continue to scream and shout regardless? With the Evening News now fuelling this, don't be fooled... I cant help but fear that this is now turning into a Media hyped disaster as opposed to a genuine March in protest/concern of the clubs future.

If we don't get the Proposed meeting, which Ahmed is muting, then OK protest and March and throw toys, but surely we should be working together for the good of the future, not against each other! For those who have NOT read Ahmed's comments go to: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11674_5855837,00.html.

Written by Midge .

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Date:Wednesday January 13 2010

Time: 4:05PM

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No way, protest until they have the meeting, lets not be so stupid as to fall for this delaying tactic. It is time for Mr Al Faraj to show his face and not send others in his place
vettriano
Spot on, now the board/owners have started talking let's give them some more time, but we are already half way through january so how much patience do we show. If the owners walk away then that could be the end. Better the devil you know sometimes!!
Ihatemidweektvgames
Spot on, now the board/owners have started talking let's give them some more time, but we are already half way through january so how much patience do we show. If the owners walk away then that could be the end. Better the devil you know sometimes!!
Ihatemidweektvgames
Well, My personal view is that we should wait and see what they do in the rest of this month. If after the transfer window closes we're no better off/haven't signed anyone/still have an embargo, then we should go effin' mental at them. For now, we should give them the chance to show us if these are all just words, or if there's something behind them.
powered_by_pies
Any news from the PL, if we haven't heard anything yet then they must still have issues with the information supplied by the owners.
bluedr
People certainly want open and honest answers. Unfortunately, the latest set of ramblings from the people who run the club don't meet that standard do they? For a start, lets look at this 40m claim. Jacob admitted its made up of loans from other people and the money WE put into the club. He is claiming the credit for "generating" money I have spent in the club shop. Now Al Faraj has yet another way of counting up this 40m. Jacob said today Ali Al Faraj has always been open and up front with people - this is a man who some people arent even sure exists? So open and up front he hasn't left Saudi Arabia. So open and honest he gave an interview, then denied having given it and then had to back down before again claiming he hadn't given it. Now Ahmed is claiming that interview was a misunderstanding. paragraphs after paragraph of quotes which said they were here to do a quick refinance and flog for a profit, leaving us with the debts and he says this was a misunderstanding? You know when they backed down from their claims the interview is a fake? When the paper played them the tape. Everything they have said is spin and bull. When you look at the club the wages keep being paid late, the ban is still in place, we are facing a winding up petition, we have a much convicted fraudster running the finances. I am amazed that anyone is prepared to accept some slippery quotes which fall apart under scrutiny as a reason to cancel the protest. Sorry guys, these guys lied about what they were to get into the club. Where is the "backing that goes all the way up in Saudi Arabia"? Where is the next level we wouldn't quite believe? It turns out that at the time they were spinning this stuff through Storrie they actually meant someone was going to loan the club 35m. Yeah, those are the riches of the Saudi princes alright.
blueballoo2000
I think the protest should only be called off if the transfer embargo is lifted. When the FA are satisfied that Portsmouth have the money to pay wages and transfer fees then that is the time to call off the protest.
fatbloke
Have to admit balloo it's that jury service dilemma again. Having read the piece at the top, you get a sense of; well ok then I won't protest. Then read your reply and look at those facts and you think, Hell why not; we've nothing to lose! Guess it's up to each and everyone of us to make our own minds up.
pentonpompey
This article for me sums up how gutless, pathetic and gullable pompey fans have become.
vettriano
But if we protest now & the owners walk away the club is doomed. No one will buy the club & be in a position for us to sign players. Our only chance is for the current regime to produce a miracle in the next day or so. Give them a chance as after February 1st we are doomed anyhow & we can still protest.
Ihatemidweektvgames
The protest is not about driving them out?? Its about talking to the supporters and letting us know what the ***** is going on. Jacobs and Ahmeds storys don't even match up ffs. Amazes me how some pompey fans are prepared to let this club die without even a whimper.
vettriano
Agree with you Ihatemidweektvgames. I think its the wrong time to be protesting, however i also like fatbloke proposal to wait and see if the embargo gets lifted as that should speak volumes.
Midge
Vettriano, to the contrary. It shows how keen they are to support their club. What do you want from the board? Communication? Well they've significantly increased communication now, so what's the reason now? If the club was in a terrible state, why would the Premier League even be discussing our position? They would have thrown it out, out of hand. Is this a Westwood ego trip or is it meant to be for a purpose? Can't see the purpose.
Pompeytim
As for setting a date with for meeting the PVA?? The PVA are not the face of Pompey fans - they threw that away with their ill-timed message that they created themselves. If there is to be a fans forum it should be open to all and tickets allocated by ballot. Not for unelected PVA bods.
Pompeytim
and that attitude, vettriano, is exactly the one that i feared those that will protest would have against those that decide not to and fear the divide breaking the unity of the fans as a result? altho, to be fair you would have to argue that the above article is doing the same in reverse in many ways, right?
like penton says this is up to the individual. i have known my mate ken for donkies years and he will be marching, i will not - we agreed to disagree and leave this down to each other...

i, and i take into account everything that mike says above - all sound points and facts on the whole, facts that cannot be desputed and do not portray a good side for them at all, but this month was always the key month for me, so deiciding nothing will change this early into it is not something that i wanted to do - then again maybe waiting could be waiting too long and it being too late, but then again know knows?
i have very much liked the idea of the 'question mark campaign' but that seems irrelevent now as perhaps we are not getting that many answers but some form of communication, as weak as it might seem, has started to come...i agree that 'if' the embargo is lifted today/tomorrow this 'should' mean that the premier league are satified with what they are seeing, right so that would answer alot of questions, right?

i do fear the 'doing more harm than good' thing aswell, so i think that postponing is something that i would have liked to have seen done but this is not going to happen now is it - basically, again as penton says, i guess this is now up to people to decide but they SHOULD do what THEY want to do not what others are and i am convinced that some are merely following the crowd without actually know what they are following?
pompeyrug
There are always 2 sides to every story, and as much as these new owners repel me, to say lets work together is stretching things a bit far. Seeing as they have said or done nothing but break promises and renage on deals so far, it seem to me that we are the only one's doing all the running in this relationship. Ali hasn't pumped money into the Club he's borrowed it, and thats a sleeping dog that's going to wake up soon. As for driving them out and selling the Club again, I am not sure thats as bad as it sounds because the debt compared to other clubs is quite small i.e West Ham, 50m being ploughed in, and still 50m debt even after that. PL Clubs are still attracting buyers so don't write off getting rid of these twossers, and no-one else showing up. I think although Jacob's has said a few things lately his credibility was shot away ages ago, so I take what he says with a pinch of salt. If the players/staff don't get paid again this month, which Jacobs has said "won't happen again" then I don't think we have any choice but to protest, as it shows how much contempt they have for us and thier staff.
Mike1954
I have to say I might be wrong but I think listening to Allen, Mudie and Farmery on the quay I've come to the opinion that these three are just trying to get a grip on the club for their respective medias. That would be Allen who gets accused of fabricating stories by most Pompey most of the time and Farmery and Mudie who curiously refuse to accept Gaydamak and even more so Storrie have any responsibility for the clubs financial position. Even ignoring Storries assertion that the wonderfull sasha preffered to let the club go into administration rather than sell to Alfarj whome at that time had the money! I also note that most Pompey including The numpty Mudie were begging for darling Pete's mates the AlFarj consortium to take us to another level. I find it really difficult to have faith in this bunch of ego's. If you get your way and force them out; who takes over?
russellm
protest on untill transfer ban lifted !! if ohara goes to wolves or another rival protest even more...
pompeyhussler
So supposing this march goes ahead, and the current owner(s?) take further umbrage to it and wash their hands of us? What then for our great club? If you're going to protest, make sure it's well thought out and intelligent protest, free of pathetic and/or racial chants, and for Gods sake don't act surprised when other real Pompey fans don't share your enthusiasm for protesting, or (heaven forbid), are actually against the action you're taking.
Tantona
OK, Rug this was never intended to work the opposite in anyway, to unite or divide. I am 100% in agreement that everyone should be doing what they want to do, as that is freedom of speach. My concern and therfore the article is, that the NEWS are driving this now, and all i see is Anti this that and the other on the pages of the paper, with no one standing up and saying "Hang on". I dont think Saturday will be a freedom of speach or choice, i think its going to be show of arms by the News. 7 members of my family will be at the match Saturday, some will protest, some will not, it does not make either side right or wrong, but i personally think its wrong to be driven by the media as we appear to have lost vision of what the protest was for or about. Answers right? And as you have said on a previous article somewhere, Damned if they do... Damned if they dont.... For me, its doomed if we do, and maybe doomed if we dont, but with no one else half intersted in the club i think we have to give them a chance.
Midge
"This article for me sums up how gutless, pathetic and gullable pompey fans have become".. and that comment sums up how uncaring, pathetic and mis-guided (some) pompey fans have become.. Go ahead and march and destroy the one chance we currently have of taking the club forward !
Chix
Oh and according to ESPN.... O'Hara can only play for Spurs or Pompey, having kicked a ball for both this season already. Nugent can only be sold or leant to Burnley as he also has kicked a ball for Both. Prince, and Brown and Smith are also tied. So before anyone reads too deep into the Rags who keep touting our loanees or players at other clubs, they have their facts wrong. The Same media thats organinsing this protest? who seem to think they are alwways right... right?
Midge
Took me ages to read that lot !!!! and to be honest, altho I will not be marching, there is not a lot I can disagree with on either side of the fence. Therein lies the problem eh? I'll be giving this lot till the end of the month and hope I can better make up my mind then. Protest by all means (that is your right), but CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR !! PUP
BarneyArmy
This is a difficult one. I do understand the emotion behind wanting to protest, but I am feeling more and more unsure about the wisdom behind it as time goes on. One thing is for sure, the chanting and protests at recent games have got the owner's attention. They have got Jacobs talking to us. He may not be telling the truth (the players are all happy) but he is talking. But what is the reaction to that - is it we've got their attention, so we can wait and see now, or is it, we've got their attention, so lets keep going? I certainly think if the transfer embargo is lifted, the march should not happen. If not, then perhaps it should, but please please please let it not be racist or abusive and have a clear message of what it is trying to achieve. Please let people be sober and the chanting media and family friendly. And nobody is wimping out of protecting our great football club, people just have different opinions on what is the best thing to do. And some are just very uncertain.
tracyc
Mind you I don't think those organising the march will call it off even if the embargo's been lifted and we've signed Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi for 100 mill each. I do think there are a lot of egos and puffed out chests, and I don't believe they do have a clear message they are trying to put across. Lets just hope the march is conducted in such a way that all the media coverage that comes out of it is positive.
tracyc
Well said Bluebell and Mike the clarity of your reporting and vision is to be applauded. We now are slowly learning that the so called 40 million investment included the ice cream takings. Which is typical of the second rate spin eminating from the club at this time.
007
I have never thought that demonstrating about anything ever achieved anything so I think the march is a waste of time. However, attempts by the club to make it sound as if a tuppeny ha'penny march would stop people investing are so pathetic to be laughable. People invest if they think they are going make big bucks. That's all. To try to set the fans up for getting the blame when nothing materialises is cowardly *****e. The march is pointless. The board is worthless. The difference is that I sympathise with and trust the motives of the marchers even though it's not the way I would choose to express myself.
hammersmithblue
I think the willingness to label other loyal Pompey fans Scummers and pathetic just because they don't agree with the march speaks volumes about the mentality of some of the people involved in this protest. Surely our only chance of getting out of this mess is to stay united and get behind the team as we have always done? Still, what do I know? I've only been going to Fratton Park for 40 years so I am clearly only a JCL!
Pompey Half Pint
The march is a pointless move. Do you think the owners are trying to sort out the mess financially and get extra funding or do you thin they are trying to lose whatever money they have? Maybe the banks will say "Look a few hundred morons are walking through Portsmouth streets... let's give the club that loan afterall..." The "news" are acting worse than the Daily Mirror. They know that a large percentage of their sales are from people who use the paper as their main source of Pompey news. People like this are very much reactionary and the news milk this pathetically. An example is their sensational headline the other day "Al Fahim cost Pompey 35M". Lol, it should of course have read "Fahim costs Pompey the chance to borrow 35M", quite different. Then the news make a big thing out of their exclusive Jacob interview... then on the same page incite the morons to march against him and fly in the face of his warnings that these actions are not helpful. I think a far better "protest" was the show of support of all the people turning up to clear the pitch. That is a better sign to be giving out!
Liquor&Poker
P.S can somebody explain to me what the fascination of people like Vettriano is in finding out "What he XXXX is going on"? Fans have no right to hear the personal financial workings of those investing in the club or even the clubs finances. They could go and find the published accounts though if they would like to do so but I doubt they would bother. It's much less effort and much more fun to feel a bit glum about things with other like "minded" (or not) individuals. Also, what does it matter anyway.. there are some serious financial problems... the extent of which are probably incomprehensible to the reactionary morons. What do they want to hear????? Tell me please somebody.
Liquor&Poker
I too trust the motives of the marchers but I can't see what good it's going to do. Reminds me of the paedophile marches in Paulsgrove - all bluff and bluster, no result
Pompeyscum
I too trust the motives of the marchers but I can't see what good it's going to do. Reminds me of the paedophile marches in Paulsgrove - all bluff and bluster, no result
Pompeyscum
Not had a chance to read all the comments properly yet but have skimmed through and would like to add my 2 penneth. Like everybody else I want to know whats going on at the club i've supported financially for over 30 years. That said what will a protest achieve? We have comments from AAF saying fans abuse makes them wonder why they bother, the last thing we can afford is for him to walk away now with nobody to take his place. In reality if we are to survive this god awful mess without a megarich Mathew Harding style Pompey fan then we have to do it with the current board. Lets face it they're in it for the money they think they can make out it, they're not Pompey fans and maybe not even football fans. Short of our wishes coming true we have to trust them to sort it out but I would say to them if you want the fans onside then keep us in the loop. Pompey fans will rally round and help however they can if you include them, but shut them out, feed them only the gutter presses views and you'll put their backs up. If they want to know what Pompey fans will do then be honest with them, consult the history books, you'll find all sorts of displays of fans getting behind the club, sponsor a square foot of the Fratton turf for one. Call off the protest for the time being it's more likely to have a negative effect than a positive one.
Steve C
They have had there chance, they are just stalling and most of this site belive them, they have been wrong again and again, the tranfer embargo is still in place, why is paying back our debts so complicated, we are running out of time fast, we should have new players in place for the birmingham game but again nothing its a joke.. Therefore we must stand up and voice there opinion and unless everyone is on board it will fall flat again. Cant believe you would give them more time when they have been screwing with are club for long enough. Lets face it they cant even pay the staff on time, there is no excuse for that. March on. We should be united in this march, not debating about it. This 69 percent figure is utter rubbish, especially as the same people have voted birmingham to win. Are these pompey fans? or is the voting system up the shoot!!! I personally think we will beat birmingham they are nothing special and Avram is a better manager. Keep the faith.
evildwarf
evildwarf what you MUST remember when it comes to front page polls is ANYONE, fans of other clubs and even 'guests' can vote - and usually more than one - it is forum polls that give a better idea as only registered members can vote, and that too was fully in favour against!
do not be fooled into thinking that many members of vital pompey are the only ones against this, and do not also be fooled into thinking that just because other online sites are in favour backing it that all pompey fans are - what the online community says, for me, is not a complete reflection of the true voice either way.

once again tho, and despite the lack of payment to players and staff on time being something that is totally unacceptable, this month was meant to be the month - midway through it is not the month is it? i know we risk 'leaving things too late' but maybe postponing until the cup game is not such a bad idea?
altho and again as penton said and i agree, i guess that all we can now do is let people decide what they want to do but they have to decide that they want to do whatever they are going to do because THEY want to do it, not just following the crowd, as i feel some will, either way i guess...
pompeyrug
pompeyrug, you make valid points too. But i really do think pompey fans have had enough. Where you hear the statements from the club, that the embargo will be lifted and that the owner has put in 30 million, where did that money get spent and that they are getting upset because the pompey fans are starting to voice there opinion and they dont know why they are bothering with pompey, there is a hell of alot of un accounted money in my view at the club. It will be a peacefull march and hopefully not a drunken one, but we need thousands rather than hundreds, this way it will be all over the papers and on sky sports etc and maybe then something will be done. It may even lead to a them finding some new investors who have some money. "we will one of the only clubs in the world to have no debts to banks". But we will have huge debts to business men, with ridiculous rates of interest. Balram Chainrai (oh and if we fail to pay him back then he will probably own Fratton Park) There is a rumour also that pompey have not got the extra 3m to clear the debts of 10m (7m sky monies) which is why the premier league are taking more time to decide whether to lift the transfer embargo. I find this unbelievable, they have no money what so ever to take us forward. The guy wants to run the club using other peoples money, rather than his own. We should have another poll will the transfer embargo be lifted by the end of the transfer deadline. I dont know why these arabs bought the club. God help us for the rest of the season.
evildwarf
pompeyrug, you make valid points too. But i really do think pompey fans have had enough. Where you hear the statements from the club, that the embargo will be lifted and that the owner has put in 30 million, where did that money get spent and that they are getting upset because the pompey fans are starting to voice there opinion and they dont know why they are bothering with pompey, there is a hell of alot of un accounted money in my view at the club. It will be a peacefull march and hopefully not a drunken one, but we need thousands rather than hundreds, this way it will be all over the papers and on sky sports etc and maybe then something will be done. It may even lead to a them finding some new investors who have some money. "we will one of the only clubs in the world to have no debts to banks". But we will have huge debts to business men, with ridiculous rates of interest. Balram Chainrai (oh and if we fail to pay him back then he will probably own Fratton Park) There is a rumour also that pompey have not got the extra 3m to clear the debts of 10m (7m sky monies) which is why the premier league are taking more time to decide whether to lift the transfer embargo. I find this unbelievable, they have no money what so ever to take us forward. The guy wants to run the club using other peoples money, rather than his own. We should have another poll will the transfer embargo be lifted by the end of the transfer deadline. I dont know why these arabs bought the club. God help us for the rest of the season.
evildwarf
i am losing the will to live now evildwarf, i am fed up with everything now and all i want to do is talk about the football again, which is rarely happening now! i spend a fortune following us around all over the show, and whilst it is the whole thing - with the football often secondary anyway to the day out with my mates - the football side of things, which should be the main thing is something that i am starting to detest, i am deteting football in general these days, and sometimes think 'what is the point' anymore if i am not getting the enjoyment - i clearly want us to win but winning or 'being good' makes no difference to me, even with the troubles in the late 90s i never felt like i do now, i am tired with the whole thing now, and do not know what is what anymore - i think when you use 'rumour', this sums up so much, none of us really know what is what only what rumour tells us and this is making things even worse...
pompeyrug
pompeyrug, you make valid points too. But i really do think pompey fans have had enough. Where you hear the statements from the club, that the embargo will be lifted and that the owner has put in 30 million, where did that money get spent and that they are getting upset because the pompey fans are starting to voice there opinion and they dont know why they are bothering with pompey, there is a hell of alot of un accounted money in my view at the club. It will be a peacefull march and hopefully not a drunken one, but we need thousands rather than hundreds, this way it will be all over the papers and on sky sports etc and maybe then something will be done. It may even lead to a them finding some new investors who have some money. "we will one of the only clubs in the world to have no debts to banks". But we will have huge debts to business men, with ridiculous rates of interest. Balram Chainrai (oh and if we fail to pay him back then he will probably own Fratton Park) There is a rumour also that pompey have not got the extra 3m to clear the debts of 10m (7m sky monies) which is why the premier league are taking more time to decide whether to lift the transfer embargo. I find this unbelievable, they have no money what so ever to take us forward. The guy wants to run the club using other peoples money, rather than his own. We should have another poll will the transfer embargo be lifted by the end of the transfer deadline. I dont know why these arabs bought the club. God help us for the rest of the season.
evildwarf
 

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