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They are Scottish - keep it that way!

I do not know if I missed something, with this 'something' being the trigger for this, but all of a sudden the topic on plenty of premier league managers minds again is that of 'Celtic and Rangers joining the premier league.'

This is something that has rumbled on for several years, but during this international break - and perhaps it is this international break that sees this topic rise again as people cannot think of anything else to talk about? - it has returned.

It appears that Villa manager Martin O'Neill is 'in favour' of this, as is Everton's David Moyes and then we have Spurs manager Harry Redknapp, who has to have a say about everything as he knows everything, also seemingly happy to see them join the English game?

My question is why would they want this?

Why should we allow the 'Scottish giants' into the premier league?

They are Scottish so they should stay in the Scottish premier league - if they, and the 'super powers' in the English, or even European game, want this then why do they nod sod off and create this 'super league' that is also often spoken about, is the 'almighty' champions league not enough...

I just cannot get my head round the thought as to why we should, let alone would, let these Scottish clubs join the premier league? Well, join the English league at any level - it is not our fault that the Scottish game is so poor, football and financially wise - that said maybe you 'could' argue that all the money in the English game is ruining the 'British' game?

I know we have a few Welsh sides playing in the English game, and quite why this is I honestly could not say - but this has been the way I have always known it, and for God knows how long, again why it is I do not know, anyone?

Ok, lets just say Celtic and Rangers 'were' allowed to join the English league WHY should they be allowed to jump straight into the premier league?

The dream - although in all honesty it is not always as 'wonderful' as you hope once you get there, not that I am saying I want out mind - for all championship, league one, league two and non-league clubs is to make it into the 'promised land' that is the premier league.

So, how is it 'fair' - not that fair counts for much these days - that Celtic and Rangers 'could' be able to bypass the pyramid system and leap straight into the top flight?

I would hope that this does not happen anyway, but if it did then make them start at the bottom like the rest do and work their way up to the top!

Am I the only one against the idea of Celtic and Rangers joining the premier league - and am I also the only one who cannot under stand why the likes of O'Neill, Moyes and Redknapp would not be against it?

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Writer: pompeyrug Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday November 12 2009

Time: 11:43AM

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I would prefer we got rid of the welsh sides, and then had an competition between english welsh and scottish as part of the Preseason for the top 4 from each? Would keep them all happy and get the Non English Teams out of the English League... Its farcical. As portsmouth does not have Country all round it, thanks to the coast line, maybe we could opt to join the french league? After all its nearer to us than Scotland? And no, i am joking i dont really want it lol
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12/11/2009 12:18:00

There's no way either team would be anywhere near the standard required to challenge the mythical 'Top Four', and would be mid-table fodder at best. This is ENTIRELY about money. And once you start talking about integrating them into our Leagues, what about relegation? Once they get dropped a division they'd be begging the SPL to take them back. What about the Cups? Either Glasgow team versus the likes of Millwall is not a very savoury prospect. Keep them out.
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12/11/2009 12:18:00

agreed and i'm pretty sure the celtic and rangers supports will agree just imagine having to travel all the way down to England let alone the south coast for a league game ffs.... its ridculous, greed and just not realistic for the fans!!
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12/11/2009 12:35:00

Not for them joining. A small step away from a european league. may as well invite Real Madrid & Barca than Rangers & Celtic.
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12/11/2009 12:36:00

Who cares
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12/11/2009 12:56:00

doesn't matter guys the vote was this morning and it got turned down AGAIN lol
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12/11/2009 13:21:00

The proposal is being discussed by the PL today. It means forming a 2 division PL with Celtic & Rangers and 'some' Championship teams. There will be no promotion or relegation into or out of lower leagues - a closed shop. Amazingly the proposer is the Bolton Chairman Phil Gartside, whereas most lower PL teams are against it.
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12/11/2009 13:21:00

The worrying thing for us is the criteria being talked about for teams to enter from the Championship (only should the worst come to the worst of course), such things as grounds, facilities, academies, finances etc etc. PUP
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12/11/2009 13:27:00

All over - the proposal has been rejected. BBC R5L 13.30.
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12/11/2009 13:38:00

stupid idea and if it did happen they should start in league 1 and work there way up to the premier league.
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12/11/2009 14:01:00

from bbc sport The Premier League has rejected a plan to bring Celtic and Rangers into English football's top flight. The Old Firm pair had hoped to be part of new plans put forward by Bolton chairman Phil Gartside for a two-tier league of between 36 and 40 teams. It was thought that there would be a top tier of 18 clubs, with promotion and relegation to and from the league. The SPL pair would have been invited to join the lower league, but the proposal was overwhelmingly rejected.
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12/11/2009 14:04:00

LOL norfolk i said that it was rejected before you even mentioned it and that was at 12:30 :P haha
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12/11/2009 15:28:00

I was surprised at the insular and somewhat chauvinistic tone of some of these contributions. Scotland is actually part of the UK. There must have been at least 1000 well-behaved supporters at the pre-season friendly with Rangers (even though it was effectively their reserve team), and the standard of both the OLD Firm clubs is certainly top half of PL. They both have excellent stadiums, full most weeks, even though they have nobody of their standard to play against. It's not that much further to travel to Glasgow than Newcastle or Sunderland. There is also a strong Pompey supporters club in Glasgow - called Clan Pompey. Although there are lots of details to be worked out, I think the principle is a good one, so I hope we haven't heard the last of it.
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12/11/2009 15:49:00

e-r according to Scudamore it's now a dead duck. The scheme I think would be the thin end of the wedge with Hearts and co wanting to follow them. We'd then end up with a British league and lose our national teams. I don't like the idea of a 2-tier Premiership either.
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12/11/2009 17:43:00

to be honest, I don't think this is a dead duck. I hate the idea, and scudamore and co. will do there best to put the idea down - as they rightly should, as it's an awful idea - but it will never go away. Celtic and rangers both have good (not brilliant!) teams that could compete with the likes of everton or villa (maybe), and They fill massive stadiums week in, week out. however they play in a god-awfull league. it would be fairly similar to swansea and cardif going back to the welsh leagues. they would just dominate them. The two-tier premiership wouldn't work as a concept though, because it would simply result in one getting all the money (*from the big 4s massive followings/sponsership deals), and the other getting very little. basically like the championship. And I think that is the main reason the proposal was rejected by the clubs lower down in the devision - we don't want to be cast aside so easily! I won't rule out celtic and rangers trying to tap into the premierships money in the future though...
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