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Saint or sinner?

Well he has technically been a Saint, which already makes him a sinner...

Either way clearly the opinions on the returning former manager this weekend, along with some former players, will vary so this is going to see tensions high this week, the early part of the week after and of course this weekend.

Without a doubt, whatever the thoughts are on him we cannot doubt the fantastic days that we did have under him, even if they were very much a 'me, me, me' way of thinking - granted they came at a heavy price, but all in all would we change them?

For me, taking into account this goodness, I still cannot look past the fact that he 'abandoned us' not once, but twice and did this the second time when we needed him the most, and the reason he jumped - and jumped is what he did - was because it suited him to do this.

People will argue that he left at the right time as he 'knew what was going to happen' so they do not blame him for leaving - again for me this leaving when he knew that we would have to sell, we would see the side dismantled that was built makes it all the worse, coupled with the fact he tried to make out that we 'sold him' or he was 'doing us a favour.' Deserting a sinking ship is not doing someone a favour!

Simple truth is he left us for Spurs as they could offer him something that we could not... Money!

Ok, I concede that Spurs are a big club but had we kept making money available to him he would not have gone, why would he as we were every bit as 'big as Spurs' in a footballing sense at that time - in fact bigger as you judge success in the here and now as much as you do 'the past', the past is only something you can live off for so long! The guy sold out and if he really cared he would have stayed in spite of what was happening.

I have not fallen for the 'I tried to find a buyer' rubbish - funny that this is wheeled out a week before we play Spurs, and I am not waiting for the 'I took them from bottom of Division 1 to the best times of their lives' speech, again arguably true but again too much of the 'me, me, me' in this, and none of this is going to be a pardoning for his walking out on his 'spiritual home' and on 'the best fans in the world that he could not do it to again' when things were not going as he wanted. I also suspect that we will also get the 'morons' talk as well, most probably next week after the game...

I think that it is fair, and understandable, if people want to give him and the returning players and staff some grief - within he realms of decency - although if people opt against this, then likewise this is ok, and neither option should be forced on people.

What I know, or at least feel will happen, is that I will get closure on this whole issue after this game - you know I might even be able to call him by name again, in fact I am pretty sure I will, hell I have to do this over on Vital England so I reckon after this weekend, if I need to be referring to him, I will do by name...

For me the best form of attack against the 'returners' would be complete and utter support and backing for those that are with us now, giving Paul Hart and co our full vocal backing. We can add, hopefully, the odd 'Harry, Joe, Kevin, Jermain, Peter and/or Niko what's the score' and 'who the **** is (insert name)' as for me that could be all we need?

What I do hope is that we keep this abuse within a decency level - we did this at White Hart Lane last season so lets do this on our own doorstep at Fratton to ensure that we do not sink to the level of some, and it is important to stress some and not all, Spurs fans from last season when they were here.

Lets go about it in a dignified way eh guys!

Like I say giving out some abuse, within the boundaries of what is acceptable, should be fine if we want but it will hurt these returning people more if we show complete united support to the players and the coaching staff we have at Fratton now, so lets focus on supporting them and backing them as this can, and hopefully will, make a hell of a difference.

Lets not get caught up in the 'anti-supporting' of old foes and make sure we get wrapped up in the 'supporting' of the those that are Pompey now, and want to be Pompey now...


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Writer: pompeyrug Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday October 12 2009

Time: 5:24PM

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ohh i get to go before the abusive spurs fans ;D if all he wanted was a bigger club then he would have gone to Newcastle, so thats a load of cr*p and your right rug he went because the money he would get personally and ofc he could spend. but and this is a big 1, he is still a good manager 1 of the best we've had in a long time i reckon and for all the **** he gets and rightfully so, we do have to aknowledge what he brought to the club, and i don't think many would change that for the world, so i'll welcome the guy next weekend but i won't do it without some well deserved abuse :) lol
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12/10/2009 17:40:00

As you say rug most the important thing we have to do is get behind the team on saturday. There is going to be plenty of banter from both sets of fans and I'm afraid there will be a few, maybe more, that will give full on abuse to redknapp + followers. The fact that we are such a passionately supported club means you will get people who think before they speak but I'm sure the lot at spurs are prepared for it. PUP!!!
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12/10/2009 17:48:00

Am not interested in abusing the players who left - well maybe dwarfie, but thats all. As for Floppychops, just a bit of banter with a sting in the tail ie: "Mad's song", and then the rest of our energy devoted to our team "AC Milan" style. Lets show them we have moved on and what they are missing. Thats the best way for me.
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12/10/2009 18:58:00

i'm with you on this gangor. its all getting a bit silly now
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12/10/2009 19:07:00

Get behind the team but if we're gonna have a go at anybody, make it Redknapp. The players leaving in the summer was understandable and to be honest I don't really blame them anyone would've wanted out. Still, let's get behind the team and give it our all and pull off a result!!
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12/10/2009 20:09:00

I've noticed that when Pompey supporters spend all their time booing the opposition, they forget to support the home team and the atmosphere becomes very negative - hope they just focus on geeing up the lads and forget the turncoats and really give their best, like the players will hopefully do.
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12/10/2009 20:13:00

I will be cheering kev prince when he walks out. lol
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12/10/2009 20:18:00

Agreed......... Pompey Fans unite behind the team, and prove once more that we are the BEST FANS IN THE LAND... and the team to do the talking on the pitch, and beat the Spuds and send Harry and Joe and the turncoats back to London with their pride dented, their ego bruised, and the visit to Pompey derailing their march on the existing top 4. PLAY UP POMPEY
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12/10/2009 20:28:00

Stuart the best exampe of that was when Ben Thatcher came back after 'the foul'. The crowd spent all 90 minutes on his back, he played and Charlton walked away with the points.

Support your team, ignore the opposition.
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12/10/2009 20:37:00

All good managers have abandoned some club or other so why is Harry any different? Just show him what he abandoned in terms of fans and I hope the team shows him what he could have achieved without big 'stars' and big spending.
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12/10/2009 20:43:00

players who were sold by the club are not turn coats; as i said on another thread, grow up, move on. Im more worried about jamo still wanting to be away from Hart but by far and a way we need a point from the game as a minimum and make no mistake that wont be easy to acheive. needs to be fortress Fratton once again
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12/10/2009 21:59:00

Well said pompeyrug. I personaly look forward the the return of Joe Jordan; he represented Portsmouth with dignity during his tenure.
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13/10/2009 06:59:00

No doubt the abusive morans will spend all the match calling HR a **** & forget to cheer Pompey on. The best answer is for us to win the game. Personally, we had the best of times with HR here. The players that came & the things we did under him were fantastic. I would rather have had all that & the tough times that came with it, than a seasons of nothing!
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13/10/2009 09:57:00

It would be great if everyone gets behind the team and create a Milan-style atmosphere, but I can't really see it happening, there will be a lot of negative abuse. As for the players, the only one that bugged me was Defoe - Crouch and Kranjcar were pushed, and I don't think we miss Niko anyway. The main thing is that we win!
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13/10/2009 12:49:00

I'm more than happy to be an abusive moran Storagematt or even a moron (lol) - I for one will give then all stick ... Every single one.. no loyality whatsoever from any of them .. Where's Judge Gino when you want him this would make a great arguement to put before him.
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13/10/2009 13:11:00

It wasnt just money we could offer him though was it, like it or not we are a more prestigious club and he said he wanted to manage a big club before he retired.
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13/10/2009 13:46:00

the problem is Yiddo you cannot live off past glories for ever can you - like it or not pompey, and many, many other 'smaller side' have been 'bigger' than spurs have been in recent years, i do not think that many footballers these days decide where they will go based on how 'prestigious' a club is...
so when is he going to move on to manage this 'big club' then :-) that was just a joke, lol...
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14/10/2009 08:35:00

7th in the league (at that time), in Europe, just won the FA Cup and with four players from the team making up the England Squad. Sound prestigious to you Yiddo? - yeah, well that was us NOT you! The trouble with Tottenham supporters are they have long memories - too long. Time marches on, people move on, Get over yourselves.
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14/10/2009 09:14:00


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