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Adams - 'stick by him'

'I would most like to see us stick by Tony Adams after the New Year', not my vote, yours - although these findings from Midge's poll are thoughts that I would agree with to be honest.

So much is going on at the club, so many thoughts are going round my head - and to be honest some of them change, and can change by the hour. Among the thoughts and feelings going round I often feel anger, relief, regret and then composure after I convince myself that 'everything will be ok' with the club that I love, something that means more to me than most other things in life... I feel angry at the players, then think maybe it is actually Adams' fault, it is then Harry Redknapp's fault - not necessarily for walking out on us again, but getting us in a position that we are in before doing so, but the main thing that I always come back to is actually the people that own and run the club? I just wish they would be honest with us. I know the papers probably make up a lot of things, and actually make them worse but I genuinely now fear that they are not being honest with us and the pursuit of glory come well beyond our means and the true costs of this are now coming home to roost...

Anyway, back to the point - Adams, and keeping him.

He has made some strange tactical decisions, and these have been errors that have maybe not actually cost us points but certainly contributed to these lost points, although in fairness I think these points were already lost, these poor tactical decisions at times just ensured that defeat that was already on was cemented perhaps?

Then again those out on the pitch need to hold their hands up, especially the defenders as their lapses and poor decisions have cost us dear. In that case it is down to Adams to tell his old mate Sol Campbell that he is done, he is free to leave in January - if not then most certainly the summer as he is costing us points. David James is looking decidedly uncertain, and if he is still the England no.1 when the next game comes round I will be amazed - but is his uncertainty down to the defenders in front of him and his lack of belief and trust in them, leading to him trying to do too much and clear up situations that he cannot clear up? Either way, and I know we are thin on the ground defensively, but Adams has got to make a call and stick by it. If we keep shipping goals like we are we will be in trouble!

A lot of players are looking like they no longer want to play for the club, it is easy to say that this is the case because they do not want to play for Adams, or even the club anymore - this may be the case in some instances, as he does come across as an 'odd character' at times, and most footballers are viewed as mercenaries these day. But I suspect the real truth of the matter is many do not want to play for the club anymore because the club are making it clear that they are 'expendable commodities' that they are touting around left, right and centre as they look to offload prized assets out of necessity as much as anything else - despite talk to the contrary, which in my thinking the club need to be honest about.

Would you want to be somewhere you were not wanted - or were made to feel unwanted behind your back?

It is that 'loyalty issue' I have often spoken of, and it needing to cut both ways. The club, to my knowledge, which of course is not gospel - so my views are not totally as they might be - are the ones that are not showing this, to both the players, who might need to be sold, but more importantly us, the paying punters that have Portsmouth Football Club in our blood and deserve to be told the truth, not lied to.

I think the biggest case in point on this issue is Jermain Defoe - yep he is playing like someone who does not look like he wants to be here, but it is my understanding that he has never expressed a desire to leave; we have been the ones pushing this! So can you blame him for being put out?

Of course there are also some that do not have the clubs interest at heart, we are just a 'meal ticket' and probably are not playing for the club - the calls for people that want this have been vocal. It would be interesting to know how many actually want to go and how many are actually being touted. Clearly if finances mean they need to they will, and that is the club letting us down and they need to hold their hands up and be honest.

I have probably just rambled a lot here, and probably sound like I have contradicted previous thoughts made over the days and weeks - as said though a lot is down to the fact that I just do not know what to believe anymore, but now, 'I think', firmly believe that the clubs owners and chairman, along with Redknapp, got us into a big hole, which the 'unexpected' credit crunch has made even deeper and the ones that are suffering the most are us - the fans, the ones that seem to matter the least and are often treated with the most distain...

I could be completely wrong and maybe this is that 'anger' emotion again, maybe I have let my heart, or gut feeling get the best of me?

Again, I have gone well off point - keeping Adams...

Right I think the fella is honest and genuine and really does want what is best for the club and the fans, but is having to work with severe constraints. I find it hard to believe that he would have been naive enough to go into the job not knowing this, not knowing people probably had to go and a fair amount of money raised.

'Big' question marks remain over his man management skills, when he comes out with bizarre things such as 'I like my own company and would be happy to go through life alone and then die' and 'I do not actually like people' and so on makes you think how can a character, who on the face of it struggles to motivate himself motivate others? Maybe he is also too much of 'one of the boys', and his step-up to being the manager is something that he, and the players are finding hard to adjust to?

It could be viewed as a risk giving Adams money next month, but lets be honest he will not get much anyway - so if he would not get much how would anyone else? The experience and motivation factor of someone else 'could' be a bonus, and if anyone else did come in they would have to before the end of January to be given this chance. It could be blind faith or optimism, but I seriously do not think we will go down and do think that given time Adams could do a job - I think thoughts, or even expectations, of further forward steps need to be shelved, if not forgiven, but I feel Adams can offer us that platform to bring us back to a level footing and a kind of level that I would find acceptable, and arguably we belong at - and that does not mean it is outside of the top flight!

  • What the poll asked - Who do you hope will be Pompey manager after the New Year...

  • How you voted - Tony Adams (Stick by Him?) 62%, Avram Grant (Bring him Back?) 25%, Other 6%, Curbishley 4%, Matt Le Tissier (ONLY JOKING) 2%, Ince 1%, Venables (he motivates players?) 0%, Keane 0%

  • Current Poll - People are worried we might go down, but will we really?

    We are not seriously going to go down are we? This is what pompeyrug wants to know with this - 'Do you 'genuinely' think we could go down?' Let the poll do the talking before we do when it finishes.

    Before we move on what are your thoughts on what the last poll concluded? You know what to do, thoughts below please guys...

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    Writer: pompeyrug Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

    Date:Monday December 29 2008

    Time: 11:26AM

    Your Comments

    Portsmouth would be shooting themselves in the foot if they break faith with Adams now. He will get it right for you and any new manager would probably be forced to sell your stars. On second thoughts, let Adams go and let Mark Hughes sign Crouch!
    Sindbad
    sorry about 'the rant' guys, i think i had alot that i felt i had to get off my chest, and i think i felt it belonged in the whole 'keep adams' thoughts...
    pompeyrug
    You're right Sinbad, getting rid of Adams will not help us. Oh to get the transfer window out of the way and concentrate on playing football. Great Escape 2 anyone?
    UKTony
    I dont think Adams is the problem, more the players and impending transfer window. Too many heads have been turned and this is affecting performances.
    bluedr
    Adams is not the answer, and never was, he was the cheapest and easiest option. I wasted more of my time yesterday watching an Arsenal second string make us look what we are, and that is woeful. It was just a question of time when they would score, and also which one of James's mistakes they would capitilise on!! Drop Defoe, play Nugent on the right side of midfield what is he thinking about!! i cant believe this is happening to us, from a decent side to this load of rubbish, we were awful nd deserved what we got nothing again. Get rid of him now, and let the new man sort out this mess quickly
    Owenspompey
    One Bad Apple is all i think. after Boxing Days display by defoe, it proves he is not a team player, and is looking to move on. No one shruggs their shoulders after missing a penalty, and wonders why he gets booed??? surely he is not that nieve? Anyway, i think adams on Quay yesterday, said it all. He has told all players to talk to him and not the media, and think hard about their future over the next few days. If they DONT want to play for us, and give it 100% then to tell him, and he will negineer the exit for them. If they do want to stay and fight, then welcome aboard, as he feels that what our fans deserve. Only players that want to play and not just take the money. So if Defoe is a bad apple, and those who played yesterday have already pledged their support, then judging by what i saw at Arsenal yesterday, Tony got it right to throw down the gauntlet. Let the fight begin, let the rotten apples leave, and what ever funds are left, lets get poepl in/back who want to play for us.
    Midge
    P.S. im not saying everyone that leaves is wrong for doing so, Johnson may go and Diarra is gone (As good as) you dont hear either of them moaning, and when they do play they get stuck in. Defoe however, has not looked right for last 4 games, Distin has become vocal... All i i ask is, talk to tony as he asks, and go silently or shut up, and roll your sleeves up.
    Midge
    for anyone who missed Admas comments here is one sites quote..... "Adams, who was returning to Arsenal for the first time as a fully-fledged manager, also insists he does not want to sell in the window which opens on Thursday. He added: "I am determined to hold on to all of them but I want people who want to play for Portsmouth. We're in a scrap with 14 other clubs and if they don't want to play for Portsmouth then they're no good to me. "It's not reading the riot act, it's fact. If your head has been turned, if you're not trying everything to win games for the club then I don't want you around. "
    Midge
    The transfer window is going to be Tony's big chance to get things straightened out, and hopefully we will be left with only players who want to play for us, and if that means less superstars, then so be it. Its going to be an interesting month.
    tracyc
    Tony, blah blah blah, we keep hearing some wonderful stuff from Adams, how many points have we got in the last four games!! If management was about saying the right things to the press we could all do it.
    Owenspompey
    Tony needs his own team or players who will perform for him. The window gives him that chance.
    eastneydave
    i say it again, take away HR's fa cup win and his record for the previous what 6 months or so didnt exactly make pretty reading did it...
    pompeyrug
    The problem is if Tony wants his own team it may be one that is playing in the championship.
    storagematt
    That would be unthinkable surely, after all those years of trying to get into the Premiership.
    Owenspompey
    Owenspompey i feel you have your HR tinted specs on, in all honesty our dip in form goes back to April way before HR jumped ship (again) and way before Adams took over. Our league record since then is one of the worst if not the worst in the premiership. I feel the club itself has a lot to answer for, by it's policy of not commenting on rumours in the press they are contributing to unsettling players and fans alike. everyday you open a paper to see storyies of firesales and this player going there, that player going somewhere else. But the club in it's infinite wisdom doesn't seem to want to help the situation. Any of us that have ever done a job where we don't feel we're wanted has found it hard to deliver our best quality work, why should it be any different for footballers? Some of you may shout me down and say for the money they get they should be able to do it anyway, but they're paid the rate for the job, it just happens to be a lot more than we earn. It's still very difficult to motivate yourself when you feel you're not wanted. Some may find it easier than others but all will struggle to deliver their best.
    Steve C
    Forget what Harry did. Forget the form before Adams took over. The point its ADAMS as a manager. He had October and November as a honeymoon period where we gave him a settling in period but the real work started in December - December saw one point from a possible 15 and that for whatever reason is not good enough especially given who we were playing. Get rid now before it's too late - The players may not be on his side and may be acting petulant or lazy but ask yourself why.... !
    Chix
    Steve, i have on rose tinted glasses on, my point is to survive in the Premiership you need a leader/mamger/coach, we took the easy option when the Judas walked out, not the best or the most sensible. Blackburn went for experience and you can see in their performances that things will turn around. Sunderland will suffer for their choice and so will we, he is not experienced enough to keep this team up. If the platers believed in him it would show in their efforts, but his tactics, and the way we play and defend are poor.
    Owenspompey
    Chix - when a manager takes over from one that has recently been sacked, you get a "honeymoon" period, as the players are all expectant. When you take over from someone who has just been very succesfull, the opoisite happens, as the players all feel down about loosing there great man. After January, the players we have left will either be Tonys players, or they will have survived the transfer window, and won't be thinking about leaving anymore. Right now, everyone is just worried at what COULD happen. Not what WILL happen, or what HAS happened - I don't think anyone actually knows who is going to be sold, and nothing is set in stone. I do however beleive that the players - such as Davis - are starting to make the right noises, and are starting to become more confident. We saw against arsenal a MASSIVE improvement in the defence, and the spirit of the players. A win against Bristol City will give us the ight mindset, and then we can go on to far greater things in the league.
    pompeycarpet
    *IF we win against Bristol City... if not, it's just another distraction from our relegation battle out of the way :-)
    pompeycarpet
    This is the same man that was given all the credit for our defensive improvement not so long ago. I still feel that players will be more likely to deliver if they know exactly where they stand, true results have been awful lately but in those games we were mostly undone by individual mistakes rather than the team as a whole. West Hams 3rd goal for instance wqas a result of Belhadj trying to win a ball he needn't have commited himself to trying to win. We can all sit on the outside and make comments about Adams ability to coach or lead the team but we're not in a position to actually see what goes on in training or in the dressing room, Adams as a player was a born leader and always up for a fight. This close to the transfer window in our current financial plight we have no choice but to stick with him. Anybody who came in now will be bringing in players without knowing the squad, that can only lead to more trouble. If he's given the chance i'm backing Adams to sort this out, but maybe he should look at our better performances this season when bigger name players were unavailable due to injury. The AC Milan game and Heerenveen games the team was packed with reserves who wanted to give everything for the cause.
    Steve C
    Well put Steve and i admire your positiveness, however football is littered with footballers who were fighters and winners on the pitch, however it is a sad fact that this does not make them good coaches or mangers. We needed an experienced hand to steady the ship for a couple of seasons when Redknob walked out, and we bottled doing it, and my biggest fear is that we will pay a heavy price for this, and i could not face the bloody Championship again.
    Owenspompey
    Owens and Chix, count me in, i'm with you all the way. I just wish the Board had put their heads above the parapet when it was needed!!!!
    pentonpompey
    they are professional footballers who are paid to play football - so that is what they must do regardless... easy for me to say, but i am trying to put myself into their heads, forget the massive amounts of money they get, you and your family could well be settled somewhere, you do not want to go but fear the club could force you out - this is my fear, we are trying to force players out, so as SteveC says the uncertainty factor is having a massive negative effect.
    davis is right, we have to just get on with the job regardless as to what happens, but if we were upfront and genuinly honest with the players - and us - i think we could all rest alittle easier and individual errors and mistakes would be cut out.
    pompeyrug
    as said countless times, maybe adams isnt the man for the job. on the whole tho i still maintain that we have played some decent football under adams, and i was being entertained fair more - recent performances have not been so good, but as said i feel so many factors are contributing to this...
    if adams genuinely does not have the players support then storrie and gaydamak should see this and must act, and act fast. if keeping adams is going to have such a negative impact that we 'might' go down, how is this going to help sacha and his attempts to offload the club, how will this help anyone?
    pompeyrug
    The ONLY reason Adams should be sold, is if the players all hate him, and will refuse to play well under him. And even then, we probably shouldnt give in to them :-). I am 100% confident, that in 30 years time, he will be able to look back on a far better managerial career than Harry Redknapp has had - lets not be the blot on the line!
    pompeycarpet
    No Carps, the Only reason TA should get the sack is if his teams do not get the results. Plain and simple! Enough of this 'It's not my team' B*****Ks. I don't care and nor should any of you. This is a results business, and if the teams he sends out do not get the results then he must face the sack....Fact!!! I don't care if he's basically a 'Nice Man' if he doesn't get results....Show him the door. So far the door must be ajar!
    pentonpompey
    Penton those are harsh words, but very very true, and i agree with your sentiments totally, the business is results driven and Pompey in the Championship would be the same as Charlton, Forest and Leeds to name but three. We must not go down, and we must be pro-active, not re-active!!
    Owenspompey
    I have Written a piece in the Forum about HR and TA. Please have a read all, and feel free to tear me to shreds, But please do have a read and make a comment. Makes for a good debate!
    pentonpompey
    Give the man a chance ! Since taking over, it's fair to say the points tally has been disappointing to say the least. However,some of the football we have played has been good enough for at least 6 - 8 points to have been added,and had they been we would all be dead smug and praising the man to the hilt. Will he get it right ? Let's hope so,and soon !! But everyone jumping on the bandwagon of "get rid of him quick" is hardly going to help things is it ? And who would replace him ? Big Fat Sam wouldn't have moved south,and would have wanted guaranteees of money available, Curbishley didn't exactly set the world on fire at West Ham did he ? Ultimately TA WILL be a good manager,and after his baptism of fire here,let's give him a chance to see what early lessons he's learned,and how he will help us back up the table. We all pride ourselves on the fact that we are the best fans in the league,and yet as soon as things get a bit rocky,off we go, "I don't trust Storrie" "Sacha is a mug" "Tony was a cheap appointment" etc etc etc. Let's prove our claims are justifiede,and get behind OUR club,including the manager and play our part in keeping the club where it belongs........ (Rant Over!)
    lincspfcfan
    I do my talkiing EVERY week, home and away, and i get annoyed when i see us playing like mugs. I dont want it to be pretty, i want us to win, you dont win anything by playing prettily, otherwise Arsenal would win the title year in and year out. We have lost heart because the players dont believe in the management team. He might make a decent manager but this league and in particular this team is not the one to do it with. We have had people in charge before who were not up to the job, Pulis, Rix and Claridge were examples, we need a leader and someone to put the passion in the team and i think Adams and Metgod are not capable of doing it.
    Owenspompey
    Lincs; I never give less than 100% supporting Pompey, never have never will. I have NEVER thought TA was the man for the job, or any other Managerial job come to that! Some people are superb coaches but awful/average managers. Being a good player does not give you the God given right to be a great Manager. Otherwise Sir Bobby Charlton would make Sir Alex look like the Manager of Salisbury City FC. This feels like it's my personal crusade to oust him. It is most certainly not; I am not really certain what I want. I am just trying to give an argument to the side that he does not appear to be the Man for the job. But I can imagine the same thought has been brought up in private in the Pompey Power corridors! And; if we didn't raise objections to all that went on in the Walls of Fratton; What would be the point of having this Forum website?
    pentonpompey
    Penton:my rant was not a personal go at anyone,more a general observation,and i'm sorry to anyone who took it that way. TA was not my ideal choice at the time,but as he is in post,I think it only fair to give him a chance, and in so doing,get behind the team in our usual manner. Your point about players becoming managers is valid,and well made. The jury is well and truly out on him at the moment,but I think that all is missing is a couple of wins,which will see us get back on an even keel again. I travel 200 miles to watch our home games,so it would be nice to drive home with a smile on my face for a change in recent times. Play Up Pompey !!!
    lincspfcfan
    Blimey Lincs I don't even drive home thats usually left to the gorgeous Ms Penton. (Too much sherbert, usually because of Chix or Juicer OR Dave or Rug or Sneaky or Tony...HECK I'LL BLAME ANYONE!!) But, by gad I do go home miserable sometimes. I hope BOTH of our journeys home are a lot more enjoyable in the near future!
    pentonpompey
    LOL,well perhaps before the season is finished,i'll persuade Mrs Lincs to drive,or try and convince her she wants to visit Spinnaker Tower the day after a game,and i'll join you so you can blame me for the extra sherbet or two !! Play Up Pompey !!
    lincspfcfan
    yeah do that lincs, i'll buy the first! and no comments about that statement you motley milton crew!
    pentonpompey
    Look forward to it,maybe celebrate staying up !
    lincspfcfan
     

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