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Toast Season 2 #13 - A Tale of Two Harrys

That was the week that was!! With apologies to David Frost but that certainly describes the last seven days in Pompey history.

So we have a new manager in the strangest and saddest circumstances. Most fans agreed that Tony Adams had to be given the task to continue what he had been part of rather than face the upheaval that bringing in a new man would have caused.

Tony needs to get luck on his side because his first two games that could have provided four points ended up with none. I was impressed by Tony`s reaction to the Liverpool defeat when he said 'I don't blame Bouba for the penalty but I will work with him on what de did wrong defensively'. And Tony has always told us he had not been coaching the defence!!

And again after yesterday's defeat to Wigan Tony admitted to being angry with his side but feels they may have been trying too hard to impress him. Managing in the Premier League is no cakewalk but I believe Tony will turn it round real soon.


2nd November Harry Harris is 75 today. Welshman Harry was a 100% player who would always roll up his sleeves for the cause, even though he favoured a short sleeve shirt. Harry played for Pompey in three decades making his debut 1958 and playing thirty nine games in Pompey`s relegation season scoring a creditable thirteen goals the same as namesake Peter.

Harry was to go on to become the number five on Pompey's all time appearance list with 380 games and 48 goals and played in a variety of rolls ending his career at Centre Back. I best remember Harry for his attitude and leadership best represented by Pompey`s first home game after the 1966 World Cup win. Birmingham were the visitors under the Fratton lights and they strolled into a 5-2 lead with only a few minutes remaining. Harry decided to desert his defensive post and add his weight to the attack. Mayhem ensued in the City defence allowing Tony Barton and Albie McCann to pull two goals back, then with the final kick of the match, Harry hit the bar.

Harry was granted a testimonial with Southampton in 1970 a game that was unusually played on a Saturday as both sides were out of the FA Cup. An exciting game finished in a 2-2 draw, Harry was on the scoresheet for Pompey with a belter at the Fratton End. Harry played his final game in May 1971 against Leicester City before retiring. As 007 will no doubt remind us Harry was a fair cricketer.

Steve Piper is 55 - Steve famous for replacing namesake Norman at Lincoln in 1978. Steve was a cultured centre back cum midfield player who made his name at neighbouring Brighton. He played thirty games for Pompey and managed two goals, one of them coming in what I believe was the worst ever Pompey performance, a 5-1 home defeat by Plymouth.

3rd November Andy Myers 35 - Andy a played eight games on loan from Bradford City and the end of the 1999-00 season and became Pompey's 41st player used that season.

Pompeyrug - Most importantly our erstwhile Landlord reaches the age of 29. Happy birthday from all the Vital Pompey members.

4th November Roy Lunniss 69 - the muscular left back who came from Crystal Palace in 1963 along with Brian Lewis. A hulk of a man he was popular with fans because of his monumental tackles on Southampton winger Terry Paine which ended with Paine appearing to be scared of Roy. On the downside he did once have rings run round by Stanley Matthews - but that is no disgrace.

Roy held the record for his long throw-ins which was remarkable because he took no run up, simply bent his back and threw it. I remember one incident at the Fratton End where his throw hit the far post and Cliff Portwood netted the rebound. Roy played 69 games and managed just one goal, in 4-0 win at Plymouth in November 1963.

5th November Jack Weddle was born on this day in 1905. Harry Harris was number five on the appearance list and Jack Weddle is number six with 369 games and 173 goals, which also make him the second on the list of goal scorers behind Peter Harris.

There was a story that Weddle had come straight from the pits to the FA Cup Final in 1929, well it is not quite true but he led the attack against Bolton at Wembley. Once scored four against Southampton in the Hants Cup and hat trick in 1934 semi final against Leicester City. Jack sadly passed away in 1979.

6th November Ron Saunders 76 - a big favourite of fans in the late fifties and early sixties for his goal scoring exploits. Ron scored an amazing 145 goals in just 236 games for Pompey and is third on the all time scoring list. After retiring Saunders went on to have great career in management at Norwich, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Birmingham and West Bromwich Albion.

The won silverware galore and was in reach of the greatest ever prize the European Cup with Villa when he fell out with the board and resigned. Another Pompey legend, Tony Barton, took over and completed the task.

7th November Ken Foggo 65 - Scottish winger who came from Norwich City in 1972 after twice being voted the Canaries player of the year in the previous three seasons. He stayed three years playing 60 games scoring just three goals. He was highly regarded by then manager Ian St John

Mark Hateley 47 - a contender for most fans greatest ever eleven is going to be subject to a special Chix article for the AC Milan game in three weeks time so fans will have to wait a little to read more of our one season legend.

8th November Andy Gosney 45 - long time back up to the legend that was Alan Knight was at Pompey for 11 years and played just 48 games before moving on to Birmingham City.

And happy birthday to my daughter Amy!!

Last Sunday Toast was published before the events of the night unfolded and in the furore many of you would have missed it to catch up last week`s edition click here.

Hero to villain to hero to villain?

Well we have all been talking about only one thing this last week and now things have settled down let us close the HR book with one final chapter.

Pompey4me posted his thoughts in a thread during the week and with his agreement we use it here.

'Time is a good healer, and I'm feeling brighter and more optimistic for the future.

I'd like to go on record and thank Harry for what he did here. I've got over feeling like a jilted boyfriend now, because I've got a new man at the helm to look up to!

I had my 3 best football days ever with Harry in charge, The FA Cup Final, The first European game in Guimaraes, and the best one, the FA Cup Quarter final win at Old Trafford.

On top of that Harry, you have transformed us into an established premier league team, one which (I believe) no other Premier League team looks forward to playing. I hope Harry that you have instilled all your very best traits - Man management, motivation, tactics, eye for a player into our new boss Tony.

I don't now, or ever will like the way that you left, who you left us for, or some of the self admiring comments you have made since you went but time is a healer, and already (because I'm comfortable with where we are now) I can look back and say THANKS FOR WHAT YOU DID HERE HARRY, AT TIMES IT WAS NOTHING SHORT OF A MIRACLE!!!

You should not, and will not (given time) be forgotten, and in years to come you will certainly be a contender for greatest Pompey manager ever. I hope though that you give us the respect of staying away from our brightest stars that you brought here.

Thanks Simon, not views everybody shares but I felt they should make the front page for a wider audience partly because I agree with you. Harry had most things going for him but no sense of timing and a bad memory when it came to things he had said in the last few days, weeks etc.

Toast has always tried to prove to fans that there was life before Harry and there will certainly be life after him.

Punch and Judy Show

Well what do fans think of Fratton Park's version of the Sea-side entertainment booth? To me and others John Westwood and his pals look like they are about to receive a visit from a dog with sausages or the policeman rather than act as the fans cheerleaders.

Whose idea was it anyway?

See you next week and wait for news of the return of Challenge Dave - but in a new format


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Writer: eastneydave Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Sunday November 2 2008

Time: 6:00AM

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Good article Dave. It certainly has been a traumatic time for us these last seven days but I think we are over the worst, and articles just as this do help us along. It hasn't helped that the old B I am married to keeps wittering on about how "Harry's only changed his job, wos all the fuss about?" I'm thinking about cooking him a Dog Meat Pie. (I had a friend who used to do this whenever her husband upset her. They eventually divorced but he still doesn't know to this day how many dog meat pies he ate - and she has the supreme quiet satisfaction of having sat opposite him on countless occasions watching him eat his 'favourite' pies - he even had second helpings). Anyway, that's off topic. I know we haven't done too well this week, but I hope people will give Tony a bit of a chance and i hope that the team don't get despondent and the whole thing goes to pot. Re: Punch and Judy. I can't see the Bandstand from where I sit, but it certainly drowns out the opposition and I hope it becomes a permanent fixtures. Some people in the South Stand did boo him when he started up today. End of. Now if any female Vital member would like to know how to make the Dog Meat Pie, just follow any Pie recipe and substitute succulent beefsteak for Pedigree Chum........!
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02/11/2008 00:22:00

PS: Happy Birthday to Amy from Gandor and His Nibs!
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02/11/2008 00:24:00

Gandor.. I think your friend makes the pies for the Fratton End! Great read as always Dave and don't really know where to start. RIGHT Harry Harris, Jack Weddle & Ron Saunders & Hateley (to come) born in the same week .. Have we ever had such a week where so many great were born ? Never got to see any of them play(except Hateley of course) but what a mark they have left on our history True Greats all of them...
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02/11/2008 09:48:00

.... Re The Westwood Show... It was good to hear the Fratton End in full voice yesterday without him .. at least three sections (including ours) that were starting songs and getting everybody going on a regular basis and a lot less anti-scummer songs too. That said I've heard a few people mention that some season ticket holdes want to move seats to be with him.. I'm not one of them.. but think it's a great idea to build the atmosphere in different parts of ground.. so Well done Pompey and wel done John.. although you missed the kick-off again yesterday !!..
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02/11/2008 09:53:00

... finally, I hope Tony Adams luck changes soon.. I don't believe that all the players are with him and I don't believe that they are over the Harry departure yet.. but hopefully if we can pick things up quickly and get those few wins we'll be fine.. but two away games against two teams who want the points as much as us MUST NOT result in defeats... We need to win and win soon.. and beofre our next home game...
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02/11/2008 09:56:00

.. finally Happy birthday to Amy (a fine name for a daughter) .. and to Rug of course.. Happy birthday mate... older means wiser...
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02/11/2008 10:00:00

I didn't know it was Rug's birthday. Happy Birthday Rug! Is that the big 3 0 ?
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02/11/2008 10:14:00

has anyone noticed, people that have more birthdays seem to live longer? they must be good for you rug :-)...
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02/11/2008 10:28:00

Good read as always dave. Yep, they are my thoughts. I know I shouldn't, bbut I just can't help myself, there's something bout Harry I still like! Move on, he's gone, life's too short for bad feeling.
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02/11/2008 11:19:00

Chix, you don't believe all the players are behind Tony?? Where do you get that idea? Have you heard something? i heard Jamo is really annoyed at Harry, he had to find out from his own son. And, Defoe had just had a big falling out with Harry. So, I think they might well sit better with Tone than they coould have been with Harry recently.
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02/11/2008 11:21:00

Re the Punch and Judy show. It's crap. Chix, the only thing I'll agree with you is that there are less anti scum songs which is better. The atmosphere has suffered massivly as a result. God Pompey, as if we havn't got enough problems, the beat of the club has been removed. It doesn't work him at the Milton end. 1st you cant hear him from our end. 2nd The Fratton end still stand anyway. What was the point??
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02/11/2008 11:25:00

thanks for the birthday wishes guys, the best present i could get would be a good win next weekend - if we play crap i would not care, we just deserve something now, if it has to be ugly, so be it...
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02/11/2008 12:36:00

tbh i feel alot of the players should be angry and feel let down by HR, he betrayed them as much as anyone - so why join forces with him again... that said to be fair most footballers - and lets be honest - are mercenaries anyway these days and will go where the going is good...
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02/11/2008 12:43:00

What a bl00dy week. Apologies for the swearing but I'm still livid with all the events. We just can't be unlucky in one week. Something is slowly dying with this club & nothing will be solved until Sasha sorts out a sale. Until we get a new ground we ain't a big club. Absolute laughable to try & compare Spurs with us. This club could be in the championship next season if the wheels falls off & the top players go. The atmosphere is cr4p now the drums have gone. I heard more heated arguments in the Fratton end yesterday, then ever before. There have more incidents of fighting then normal. Lots of unhappy people. Oh yes, good article Dave.
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02/11/2008 14:04:00

p.s. happy birthday for tomorrow Rug!!!
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02/11/2008 16:29:00

If some of the Fratton End go to the Milton End to be with Westwood, as has been said elsewhere, then maybe that will be a good idea as it will start the singing up that end as well. Too often during a game, the only noise is coming from the Fratton End and thats a shame. Although the north stand doesn't do too bad at times - it wasn't doing much last Saturday. South Stand was a bit livelier than usual, but not much in the scheme of things.
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02/11/2008 17:30:00

North Stand was quiet yesterday in deference to the old 'un that is Rug. Can't be too careful sitting next to a guy of his age you know.
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02/11/2008 17:49:00

Oh, and great article as usual Dave. I'm thinking hard about the Challenge, as requested.
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02/11/2008 17:50:00

I dont think what Tony and Papa practiced in defence after the Pool game worked..
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03/11/2008 11:07:00

Well nodser he was probably told not to use his hands and go feet first which he did! Nice article Dave, goes without saying though. I can't comment on things at Fratton as I have not been down for a while, but it certainly didn't sound as loud on the internet.
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03/11/2008 11:48:00

Dave - I thought Harry Harris died a few years back but I might be wrong!
FP Dec 16th 1972
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03/11/2008 20:35:00

FP the problem is that info on some players is so sketchy that you always come back to your own articles. You may be right I will check other sources.
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03/11/2008 21:41:00


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