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Whittingham - no way back for Nugent

The Dave Nugent highly probable loan move to Ipswich is not really something that I wanted to cover again - in article format anyway - until it happened, but after reading comments from the legendary 'corporal punishment' Guy Whittingham in The News I could not help myself...

As much as I have hoped that Nugent would cut it with Pompey, and be given the extended run that I personally feel he needed to be fully judged - which in my thinking no matter what anyone tells me he has not been given - the fact that he is being 'loaned out' does almost certainly effectively signal the end to his Pompey career.

As Whittingham has said, by allowing him to go out on loan and with no recall option - which we have allowed, and by doing so have got more money as a result, something again which personally I feel outlines we are short, but that is for another day - when you take into account that we will be left thread bare, particularly where the cup is concerned if Kanu and/or Milan Baros are injured this effectively confirms that he has no future with Pompey if we are willing to take this risk: 'it may cause problems for Pompey in the cups if Kanu or Milan Baros are injured.

'But I'm sure it's something the manager will have weighed up.

'And if that's the case you would have to say it's the beginning of the end for the lad.

'I remember being loaned out by Villa to Wolves. At Sheffield Wednesday I was loaned out to Wolves and Watford and at Pompey I was loaned out to Peterborough and Oxford.

'Each time it signalled the end of me at that particular club.

'Unless you are a very young player looking for experience, if you are loaned out usually the writing is on the wall in terms of your time at that club.

'If a manager is willing to let you go it's not good.

'In this case, Harry is prepared to let Nugent go for the rest of the season with no option to bring him back.

'It doesn't take a genius to see the situation.

'It's pretty clear the lad is not part of his plans and he is quite prepared to do without him.

'I can't see anyway back from this. I may be wrong, but I don't think I am'.

I think Whittingham makes a lot of sense, and find it hard to see him being wrong...

I just pray that this move is not one that is basically 'admitting defeat' in the bid to win the FA cup - with us prepared to 'focus' purely on the league - in many ways 'accepting' that we will be beaten by United?

Something which this 'could' now give us the chance to see is just how effective John Utaka could be through the middle, there have been many calls for him to be given a start up front as opposed to on the wing, he has often said himself he wanted this but Harry Redknapp has always said he was signed as a winger, but his tune has now changed to justify Nugent going...


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Writer: pompeyrug Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday February 28 2008

Time: 9:19AM

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Rug, your last paragraph makes a telling point.
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28/02/2008 10:31:00

Defoe's siging nailed Nugents coffin shut i think. Not that i think Harry actually wants him to go, but he has probably admitted he is down the pecking order, so if he wants to go he wont be stopped. I think Nugent was here for the future, but that was when Harry thought getting Defoe was always going to fall through. Shame, but its life. I hope Nugent comes back and plays for us, but if he doesnt, i hope he does well elsewhere.
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28/02/2008 10:44:00

When you let it go and it doesn't come back it wasn't mean't to be yours.
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28/02/2008 11:31:00

HR gave an interview yesterday and said he had good strikers in Defoe, Baros, Kanu and Utaka and he had bought Utaka as a striker. An interesting comment as its the first time I can recall HR saying tat Utaka was bought as a striker and he certainly hasn't used him as one.
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28/02/2008 11:42:00

in all fairness - and to defend 'arry in a way, altho at the same time he has rarely mentioned utaka in this way - when he first signed him he said he could play as a striker or a winger, has he ever really said he signed utaka as an out and out striker tho... with nuge now gone, or as good as we have no option but to use him in this way, but this will only be the case if we have to...
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28/02/2008 11:54:00

I wish Nugent well, I am just grateful that he wasn't playing against us in a Preston shirt in the 5th Round. To me he is a very good Championship class player (sorry 2nd division) but he doesn't cut the mustard in the Prem. Simple as that...
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28/02/2008 12:10:00

either way guys, good luck to him and let's hope he helps the Tractors get promotion...
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28/02/2008 12:11:00

Don't totally agree with Guy on this one. Nugent is young and going out on loan will help play football. When Guy was loaned out by his clubs he was an experienced player surplus to requirements. Nugent could benefit and come back a better player ala Gary O'Neil.
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28/02/2008 12:15:00

seems like the ball is in Nugent's and Ipswich's court according to the press - they might exercise an option and we may not have a choice of getting him back if he plays well there.
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28/02/2008 12:28:00

You just hope whichever way it goes the club benefits & the player can get his career back on tracks. We are no worse without him & no doubt he will get his act together somewhere else. The only sore spot is the transfer fee paid.
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28/02/2008 12:38:00

swings and roundabouts tho Matt don't you reckon? Lassie seems to have come in on the cheap and Defoe to me looks a bargain.
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28/02/2008 12:44:00

I'm with you Eastney Dave. And, is Guy right that we loaned him out, signalling the end of his Pompey career? I thought he ended his Pompey career by writing to all the top flight Chairmen begging them to sign him after we failed to get promotion in 93!?
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28/02/2008 13:25:00

he means the 2nd time he was with us doesnt he... tbh i dont think that 'arry ever 'really' fancied o'neil, that is why i feel he was loanedo out and eventually sold - i do hope that nuge can do the same, come back with the benefit of a loan, but im not too sure as i still think that 'arry will go in for crouchy in the summer, which will mean selling - if nuge does well with ipswich and they offer a decent amount i think we'll sell... all we can do is wait and see eh?
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28/02/2008 14:26:00

A no recall loan means a higher fee. Which to my mind again tells me that we are cash strapped. Does anyone know when the Sky money is paid out.
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28/02/2008 16:03:00

007, I think it gets paid monthly by direct debit [the safe way to pay] :))))
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28/02/2008 18:31:00

Rumours on the Quay that Nuge has rejected the offer
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28/02/2008 18:41:00

Well it's Friday (the end of the week) and although still early morning we've not heard that he has gone... The thing I like about Nugent is that he tries, he may not have the class of some of the other prem strikers but he does give his all .. maybe not in a Benjani way but I doubt if anybody could say he's lazy of uninterested... I think he will go and I also believe he'll not come back .. If Harry 'believed' in him he would have given him more chances... Right at the top of the thread 007 picked up on Rug point about Utaka ... Now there is a player who Harry believes in ... They both cost the same amount of money, neither have really impressed... yet Utaka has been given chance after chance.. and now we reminded that he could play down the middle .. interesting innit.. Wish you well Nuge
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29/02/2008 08:06:00

it does seem to be dragging out doesnt it, 'arry keeps saying its up to him - but nothing is being done... yet anyway... i think if 'arry did fancy nuge he would have:
a. played more games by now than he has, with him given the chances over and over like utaka has...
b. would not even be considering loaning him out...
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29/02/2008 11:35:00

I hope that Nuge will do well at Ipswich and that he will be given the chance that he needs at Pompey as a result, I feel sorry for him he's been asked to play tiny bit parts and not been given a proper chance to impress. He will make a premiership player although it now looks like it will be yet another one that comes back to make us sorry we let him go.
Steve C
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29/02/2008 16:10:00

Nugent! Such high hopes, what went wrong?
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29/02/2008 21:38:00

Right on Rug. He should not be allowed to leave while we still have a shot at the Cup, and the fact that he's going indicates that Arry didn't fancy our chances after the Man U draw (best I could figure beforehand, our chances of drawing them were 16%, and to draw them away....). I hope he's not done at Pompey but it certainly seems like it.
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01/03/2008 03:18:00

i couldnt answer merlin, i still think that he will come good, it might not be here but im certain he still has a very big future ahead of him...
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